ed stetzer quotes from this weekend:
“70% of Southern Baptist churches are plateaued or declining, but that statistic is deceiving, because another 19% are gaining members from transfers from other churches. 89% of our churches are not impacting the world's lostness in any way.”
“Most of our churches are facing a crisis of facing reality.”
“The peak of growth for Southern Baptists was 1954. When population growth is factored in, we have been in decline ever since. If the 1950’s ever come back, Southern Baptists are ready to go.”
“Churches that were most successful in the past era of church growth, will be the least effective and most difficult to change in the next.”
"Comeback churches are not parasitic, but are an invaluable blessing to their community. The measure of a missional church is how the community would miss it if it were gone."
“The 'norma'l in missional churches is every member obedient to the life and mission of Christ.”
“Given the choice, most churches will choose their traditions over their children every time. The result is that over time children leave the church, creating a crisis later of how to get the younger generation back.”
"I don’t think God is honored by multiple generations all worshipping in separate churches. Imagine how impactful it would be if a church would dare to believe God for what He wants to do in the community so that they set aside their agendas and selfish preferences and instead asked, 'it doesn’t matter what I want, what methods will most effectively engage this community with the gospel?'”
“Something major has shifted in the past 20 years, and yet the church tends to be change averse. Successful churches will naturally change over time but what must never change is the need to proclaim the gospel.”
“Change only takes place when the pain of staying the same becomes greater than the pain of change.”
“Demographics are not the answer. We need to decipher the individual communities to which God has sent us. The Church should be defined by the mission field, not by programs or tradition.”
"John Knox said, 'Give me Scotland or I will die!' Are we willing to say, “Give me Oklahoma City or I will die?'”
“The church of the future must move from attractional to incarnational”
"In the past, the church focused on only one conversion. In the future, unbelievers you are leading to Christianity will need to go through three different conversions in sequence:
Conversion to you,
Conversion to community,
Conversion to Christ."
“The church of the future that is incarnational is interested more in the harvest than in the barn.”
“We are a harvest denomination in an unseeded field.”
“Today, people are realizing that God is using many different kinds of methods and models to reach different kinds of people.”
“The answer is not for all of our churches to look alike, but the answer is everyone seeking the same thing: to glorify God by being incarnational in the community they are in.”
“The modern church is moving from professional to passionate. In the past, ministry was the realm of the seminary- trained. Not so any more- ministry is not the realm of the professional, it is in the realm of the passionate.”
“There must be a transition from seating to sending. The impact of kingdom growth is more important as a measure. Missional churches give themselves away rather than serve their own needs.”
“Most of our churches are facing a crisis of facing reality.”
“The peak of growth for Southern Baptists was 1954. When population growth is factored in, we have been in decline ever since. If the 1950’s ever come back, Southern Baptists are ready to go.”
“Churches that were most successful in the past era of church growth, will be the least effective and most difficult to change in the next.”
"Comeback churches are not parasitic, but are an invaluable blessing to their community. The measure of a missional church is how the community would miss it if it were gone."
“The 'norma'l in missional churches is every member obedient to the life and mission of Christ.”
“Given the choice, most churches will choose their traditions over their children every time. The result is that over time children leave the church, creating a crisis later of how to get the younger generation back.”
"I don’t think God is honored by multiple generations all worshipping in separate churches. Imagine how impactful it would be if a church would dare to believe God for what He wants to do in the community so that they set aside their agendas and selfish preferences and instead asked, 'it doesn’t matter what I want, what methods will most effectively engage this community with the gospel?'”
“Something major has shifted in the past 20 years, and yet the church tends to be change averse. Successful churches will naturally change over time but what must never change is the need to proclaim the gospel.”
“Change only takes place when the pain of staying the same becomes greater than the pain of change.”
“Demographics are not the answer. We need to decipher the individual communities to which God has sent us. The Church should be defined by the mission field, not by programs or tradition.”
"John Knox said, 'Give me Scotland or I will die!' Are we willing to say, “Give me Oklahoma City or I will die?'”
“The church of the future must move from attractional to incarnational”
"In the past, the church focused on only one conversion. In the future, unbelievers you are leading to Christianity will need to go through three different conversions in sequence:
Conversion to you,
Conversion to community,
Conversion to Christ."
“The church of the future that is incarnational is interested more in the harvest than in the barn.”
“We are a harvest denomination in an unseeded field.”
“Today, people are realizing that God is using many different kinds of methods and models to reach different kinds of people.”
“The answer is not for all of our churches to look alike, but the answer is everyone seeking the same thing: to glorify God by being incarnational in the community they are in.”
“The modern church is moving from professional to passionate. In the past, ministry was the realm of the seminary- trained. Not so any more- ministry is not the realm of the professional, it is in the realm of the passionate.”
“There must be a transition from seating to sending. The impact of kingdom growth is more important as a measure. Missional churches give themselves away rather than serve their own needs.”
Rick-
Thanks to you and your staff for bringing in Ed and making him and his wisdom available to all of us.
Ryan Abernathy
The Journey Fellowship
Posted by
The Journey |
6:25 AM
Hey Ryan,
I am glad you could make it. It was good to see you there!
Posted by
Rick Thompson |
10:53 AM
I'm sorry I had to miss it. School. Boo. Thanks for posting this
I wonder if you would mind talking about your opinion on the local church's role actually is in 'transforming community". I've been reading from Mark Dever's 9marks.org website about what church's relationship with culture is supposed to look like. It has brought up a lot of questioning about these issues. For example, is there a biblical mandate for the local church to help the poor outside of the church, or is that supposed to stem from the individual believer's heart? Is it something that must happen in a local church in order for it to be an effective church? I feel like the unique thing about the church as opposed to non-profit charities, or the government nowadays for that matter, is that we are meant first and foremost to meet a spiritual need. If the gospel is not proclaimed clearly through our "incarnational ministry" are we truly doing what Christ has called us to do? Furthermore, if the marks of the church are proclaiming God's word, church discipline, and administering the sacraments to the covenant community, could a church that is doing these three things with no specific church programs for the community benefit, still doing the work of God? This is what a small reformed church will do to you...
For more:
http://filemanager.silaspartners.com/dox/9marks/9news/nov-dec07ejournal.pdf
I would just love to hear what you think in response to some of what our friends at Capitol Hill have to say.
Posted by
Jolie Britt |
11:40 PM
Jolie,
Great questions! Welcome home by the way. I am posting your comments into a discussion board on our CRBC facebook site. I think it would be fun to get our entire staff in on this discussion. If all goes well, I will then post a blog on this so that our blogging friends can chime in.
Posted by
Rick Thompson |
5:34 AM